Posts by TheOldDesigner

Actually another seven or so days and I will be out of here having transferred all my unused licenses and I will have completed a migration of all my remaining sites to Expressionengine. That will have included the transfer of over 300 blog posts across four sites (by hand) and conversion of the sites to ee code and templating and the transfer of all site images and content for the sites with and without blogs. All done at no charge to clients because I believe it's in their and my best interests.

So presuming I have no issues with the transferring of remaining currently active licenses I will be out of here by next weekend and probably silent before then.

It's been fascinating and one thing I can say with confidence, no other CMS has provided me with this level of entertainment before, and it's a real pity the director who dealt with the license transfers pretty much by return once he got involved has not infused his support staff with the same ethos. The end of a chapter I guess.

Thank you I do get emails...

However it was not completed correctly, nearly but will mail the director directly..

Received it thank you

Hallelujah life exists! Trouble is I have already emailed that address with no response!

If you think it’s bad here you should check out the Slack channel.

yes this thread is about Perch’s future that’s why people are discussing alternatives precisely because many believe it does not have one or at least a viable one despite all the suggestions and ideas provided in good faith on the first 10+ pages.

Nothing should be wholly supported blindly, support is earned and the new owners have done nothing to earn that support

I am sorry your so easily offended others seem to find it worth discussing.

there really is a lot more important things in the world to be “ offended “ by than a discussion on viable alternatives to a failing CMS. Lastly I believe I just responded to someone’s question i did not steer the thread this way.

expressionengine has been around longer than perch I believe, it started as pmachine and went at one point "enterprise" at over $299 a license (this was a good few years ago). It was sold to one of its major plugin developers a while after that who made it free/open source reckoning the paid plugin architecture would support its future development.

Carthrob is the major e-comm solution but there is a simpler recent addition https://expressionengine.com/add-ons/reinos-simple-store which looks like it has potential. Most of the plugins are top notch and never had an issue with any.

Yes thank you but as there is really not much Perch to talk about at least it keeps the conversation going. Plus discussing alternatives given the situation could be construed as Perch related.

You probably will not need support, the slack and stack exchange channels will sort most things out. I paid for one month recently when our server config was blocking updates and no one could work out why.. they fixed it in one day but thats the only time in many years of usage.

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Sounds interesting. How does it compare to Kirby?

honestly never used Kirby, I went straight back to EE as soon as they open sourced it. Compared to Statamic which is I believe similar to Kirby and which I have used it’s far more powerful and user friendly.

@CliveWalker there is also a thriving Slack Community and a dedicated stack exchange as well. Their are some powerful plugins like “Structure” and “Bloqs” which are worth checking out

justanotherdave have a look at HTTPS://expressionengine.com

craft was born out of expression engine when it was a commercial CMS it’s now gone open source with a flourishing and good quality plug in community. I have tried both but EE is a better fit for my needs and I found the tag logic easier to understand . Also has a Fully featured e-commerce plugin as well as a cheaper alternative.

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Sounds interesting JayW. I don't want to hijack this thread from the OP though so I'll start another one if that's okay.

thank you your thoughtfulness is appreciated.👍

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Because of what you make with it. Perch gives you a database and a few other things, and away you go. It's software you can build stuff with.

You admitted to being "guilty of re-using licenses" in earlier post. Now you're angry about not being able to transfer those licenses.

You said you're sitting on "16 unused licenses". Why buy so many in advance? If you used them previously with clients, then consider that cost like a subscription, now expired.

Basic Perch is cheap... $69. I've seen one-trick wordpress plugins cost more per year. Like WooCommerce's "Table Rate Shipping" $99 per year. It gives a few extra shipping options, nothing more.

New Perch owners since January. It's not *that* long. It only seems a long time because Drew was unhappy for so long and wanting to move on.

Regarding "recommending Perch" to clients. Most non-technical clients won't care about the software name. You're selling them a dynamic server-rendered CMS solution using a LAMP platform. Personally I hide all Perch branding. I'd never recommend anything other than Runway if you're a developer. Perch basic is better for lightweight solo projects rather than building things for clients. But even then I'd use Runway.

Maybe you should direct your license buyers to the Perch website to pay the $69.

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thank you for the lesson on how to run my business. Actually yes I am annoyed and occasionally I reused licenses as was allowed at the time. Why I bought the licenses is irrelevant someone is looking to buy them in bulk so maybe you would like to question their intentions as well?

I am not selling clients a CMS I am entering into a long term business relationship and meeting a need which includes hosting and maintenance contracts so I am concerned about the long term implications not dismissing clients who I hopefully will be dealing with for years to come as ignorant or uninterested.

As this post was opened to address admin problems and my situation with the owners perhaps we should just let admin respond as really your input is pretty irrelevant and a lecture I do not need.

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Isn't the process to contact directors@perchrunway.com with queries to do with licenses? Did you try that email?

Runway is still good. If you have any licenses I'd hang on to them! Or if you have normal Perch licenses, maybe they'll give you a good deal on updating to Runway.

Runway is still a good option for business sites including e-commerce and other things. It allows you to focus on Javascript web apps if you like that, or HTML and CSS mainly... it doesn't bully you into any way of working unlike other systems.

I use Github to manage Runway website code, via the Github Desktop client...works well. I hate command lines! I will never ever use a command line. Ever!

Snipcart works really well with collection items I've discovered. I won't be using Perch Shop again even if they update it. With Snipcart it's possible to have event-like products where the price is influenced by both collection item data and dynamic user input on the product page, including things like calendar input in relation to server time, and anything you like. Because Runway makes it easy to manipulate the output before it's rendered, then Snipcart allows dynamic incremental pricing changes via javascript. The combo of these two factors opens many possible product types that Perch Shop couldn't cater for. I'll share my code later in show-tell section.

The modern web is using this "set of tools" approach more. Runway is still a solid option at the center of that approach, bringing it all together with its somewhat awkward and irritating interface! I still hope for V4 one day, but I think it may need a developer who wants to do it...

I don't think there's a core developer right now who wants to work on it. Let's face it, it will need one dedicated senior dev who owns it and stays up late obsessively working on it because they want to make a good product. This is missing right now. If "dark mode" is all they can come up with, it is telling that we're missing a core developer. All we have are these community moderators playing musical chairs!

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How can a product which obviously is rudderless and with no communication be a good option?

There are a dozens of other CMS’s vying for business Perch while useful in its day is no better than myriad others which are well maintained and I could probably rely on going forward . There is no way I would give these people any money or even use Runway if they gave it to me free!

It’s an administrative issue nothing to do with the dev team just get someone to do their job it’s now been a week. Pathetic response from a pathetic outfit!

You are now costing my business cash by your negligence , and as such failing on your legal duty of care. Sort it out or I will investigate what recourse I have against you.

Does anybody realise the irony in the title of this thread?

Plus nobody can be bothered to deal with my simple request re licensing, just a joke the whole thing! 😠

No F@@@k all as I expected

Well, the UK bank holiday is over Cyprus (where your dev team are supposed to be based) finished annual holidays last weekend so what’s the excuse this time?

I do not seem to warrant even the usual “pass it up the chain” buck passing response which has been the norm here for months. Not even a false promise of delivering something soon.

How anybody can even contemplate trusting Perch under its current ownership is beyond me. Here’s a suggestion, deliver a usable product in terms of actual code and support or get out of the way and allow it to be open sourced. Nobody probably including yourselves want this grief.